Germany and Nazism

[Freakums]

alright, tjhis is off-topic, but,
all males between the ages of 8 and 18 in Germany were required to be in the Hitler Youth Movement, unless you were a jew oir disabled somehow (and tyhen you were usually killed) some disabled were accepted into the HYM anyway . . . usually against their will.
second: i might remind you of the actual politics of the nazi party. the nazi symbol or swatstika (thats not spelled right, is it?) actually means peace and hope. and with a true nazi party, that would actually be accurate. Howveer, hitler wanted to eliminate the jews, and he wanted to briong Germany out of it's economic depression . . . by taking over Europe. (becuase he, and two whole generations of Germany were raised with up the idea that Germany was treated unjustly and the rest of Europe was scum.)
Hitlers nbazi party changed Germany to a totalterian state, where one political party completely controls the goverment because the others are outlawed. thats normal for a nazi gov't. Outlawing certain viewpoints isn't. Y'see, a nazi country would worjk by electing peoplel of power within the party, but they would have all different viewpoints. So you wouldn;t have different parties struggling for power and elections instead of actua;lly helping the country. becuase there is no on eperson of power, you voted for who you think would dop the best job. but about 50 (thats just a number i [pulled out of nowhere, i don't know the real one, if there is a defenite) would get the samne job of changing laws, addressing political problems, all that stuff. you would have a head of the party, but he had no actual say and was a figurehead. a perosn the gov't believed represented the current goverment best. they have no actual power in a real nazi party.
in other words, the nazi party is like a revised democratic party!!!!
oh, and people going for the jobs of power could not team up, they could only state their ideals on sensitive issues, and general ideals. (when being elected)
oh, and if you go looking, and some of this contradicts what i say here, that is because some idiot "experts" just look at the German WWII nazi party as an ideal, and just lookj at the party and state what they did as nazi ideals. of course, once such false info spreads, it seesm reaalistic because thats what the German nazi party did and it spreads even more .. . .
I did heavy research on this subject becausde my fmaily is German. And i hate peoipe, tarrignt hem (i was born inCanada, sdo i dopn;t egt the same thing) all as nazis. My Grandpa, for example, was withheld from the book of world records because he had been alive at the tiem of WWII, in Germany. well, not really. becuase he had been in the HYM< whiuch is the same thing, except with age restrictions.
(he won 10 medals in the paralympics.) I think the record is now broken anyway and NOW they apoliged to him, so he mgith never have actually been in the book, i'm not sure.

thansk for not deletign this post, mods
and iof you are going to, well, i believe my reasons are strong enough to post an off-topic essay post. but you're the mod . . . .

[Arkacia]

I didn't delete the post Freakums because though its off topic in the other thread I believe this subject could gather some interest in its own right.

The general belief that all Germans were (and some people think still are) nazi's is so wrong. There was a very strong movement against Hitler and his party in Germany both before and during the war despite the Nazi's efforts to destroy any opposition.

[Freakums]

hmmm.
I thought this would be adressed.
while it's in it's separate threrad, i would like to address a few "mistakes". Such as:
when i said that hiotler and tywo whole generations of germans were raised to believe Germany had been trteated unjustly, yes, i do knowe he is austrain. That why i said hitler AND two generatiosn of Germans. Just becuase you aren't German doesn't mean you couldn't sym[pathize with them.
as for the others, i forget them.

oh, i believe somneone might wish to hear my sources on some of this info:
you iknow that book of Karl's that spoke about copmmunism? you know, the Karl Marx?
there isa similar book for tyhe nazi party, written while, i believe,. Hitler was still in the army. or trying to be an artist, anyways, he wasn't even considering poltics yet. as the years grew harsger on Germans, so did the German nazi party's view. particularly whern Hitler sptepped into the view.
anyway. i've read a (badly) translated and condensed version of it. Makes democrats seem like a bunch of greedy a$$'s. it does! A lot ois proibvably omitted, but the nazi view was clearly originanlly one that weas a lot better then democracy in idea, and also a dang sight better then the view of them today.

[HinesDaMan]

It's called Mein Kampf (My Struggle) and it was written by Hitler while he was in jail. It explains most of his opinions and is very controversial to this date.

[Freakums]

No!
tyhat's Hityler visdion of the nazi party, his autobiography and a whole lot of other stuff.
NOT the original document describing an actual nazi party.
Hitler JOINED ythe Nazi party., he didn;t form it. Remember, Nazi was really sahort for a changed version of the NAtional Socailist party, and that was already around for the longest toiem before Hitler.
of course, if I had said the National Socailist party, who the heck would have knwon cl;early what I was talkign about?

[HinesDaMan]

Yes, Freakums, you are correct, but the Nazi party was completely different until Hitler took over. As far as most of the world is concerened, Mein Kampf is the official document of the Nazi party, because it describes the beleifs and doctrines of the most famous (nay, infamous) version of the Nazi Party.

[Freakums]

Yes. but during the war, most people were completely uninformed of poltics. You only knew poltics if you were a real higher up in the party.
People only knew what was happenign around them, and most of what was happenign around them was innoicent: the real massacres wenty on behind closed doors, or walls, as it may be.
How many -people actually knew, during the nazi regime, how ther National Socailist party had changed? You might recall this post was originalkly in response to the new pope being in the nazi party at one time (besides, he was only in the hitler youth, but someone had alreayd mentioned that, i think).
Besides, even Hitler's idea of it wasn;t that much changed when he wrote Mein Kampf.
He just wanted a few ideas that most peopel find horrible, and over time those twisted his ideas of "righteous socieity"
Besides, most peopel know coimmunism as a corrupt and evil socieity. But the definition of Coummunism, is still taken straight from Marx. Why not the nazi (National Socailist) party?
Besides, Mein Kampf, i believe, states what Hiotler would have liked to change of the National Socialist party.
Mosty of ti was concerned with a twisted veris0on of his life an how much he blamed the jews for that.

y'know, the problems with these debates, is thsat everyoen who kjnows enough to argue, is always on the same side. IF disagreeign over minor things . . ..

[Mick]

I have heard that the new movie about Hitler's life was quite good in telling his story. Anything nazi disgusts me and about the only thing I could say is a quote from the Blues Brothers...."Nazi's....I hate those guys!".

I guess I will watch the movie for it's historical value but I have heard enough about what the nazi's did so I am not really interested in learning more about it.

[Freakums]

y'know mick, if the nazis had won the war, you mkight be singing a different tune.
Foir example,. did you knwop that mopre peopel died from ther dresden airraids then from the two astom bombs, combined?
but you only really hear about the atom bombs, nothe air raid. Understandable, but you ahve to wonder hoe much of it has to do with anti-nazi propaganda afetr the war was over.
Not that i support them, but our side has done as much as the nazis did, I'll bet.

[yarnellcg17]

This is something I wanted to share.. it's a post about how and why Nazism evolved..I would also like to say that I am in no way a firm believer that all Germans then and Today are Nazis..I have been to Germany, when it was West Germany..although there are..Yes.. Nazis out there in the world and even still some alive who are criminals and are fugitives...You will not see that in Todays reunified Germany..and thank God we never will..

After WWI Germany was becoming more democratic..The US had fairly good economic trade with Germany..We know Hitler was a political nightmare before the Depression.. but when the depression came.. some of that dwindled and Germany was wanting a better way to recover...Hitler used the free elections and Nazis were in even before he was Chancellor..here are some excerpts from History..
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October of 1931 marked the beginning of the political intrigue that would destroy the young republic and ultimately make Hitler Führer of Germany.
Constant political squabbling among the numerous political parties in the Reichstag resulted in ineffective government.
Adding to the problem, there were now over a hundred elected Nazis in the Reichstag. Under the leadership of Hermann Göring, they regularly disrupted proceedings with vulgar, rowdy behavior to help undermine democracy in Germany.
The German people were desperate for relief from the tremendous personal suffering brought on by the Great Depression, now two years old. Millions were unemployed, thousands of small businesses had failed, homelessness and starvation were real possibilities for everyone.
But from their elected leaders, the people got nothing but indecision. In ever growing numbers they turned to the decisive man, Adolf Hitler, and his promises for a better future.
The republic now faced another problem. In 1932, there was supposed to be a presidential election, according to law. But Hindenburg, the glue holding the floundering democracy together, was getting too old and said he was not interested in running again.
Even if he could be convinced to run, he would be 92 by the time the seven-year term ended, with Hitler looming in the background the whole time. If he didn't live the entire term, considered likely since he was failing, then Hitler would have his chance even sooner.
Early in 1932, Adolf Hitler received a telegram from Chancellor Bruening inviting him to come to Berlin to discuss the possibility of extending Hindenburg's present term. Hitler was delighted at the invitation.
Now I have them in my pocket! They have recognized me as a partner in their negotiations!" - Hitler told Rudolph Hess.
He went to the meeting and listened to the proposal, but gave no response. There was no reason to help the chancellor and thus help keep the republic alive.
He went to the meeting and listened to the proposal, but gave no response. There was no reason to help the chancellor and thus help keep the republic alive.
In February 1932, President Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to run again and announced his candidacy for re-election. Hitler decided to oppose him and run for the presidency himself.
In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, Hitler got over eleven million votes (11,339,446) or 30% of the total. Hindenburg got 18,651,497 votes or 49%.
Hindenburg failed to get the absolute majority he needed, making a run-off election necessary. Goebbels and many of the Nazi leaders were quite disappointed.
But Hitler immediately urged them to start a vigorous campaign for the run-off to be held on April 10, less than a month away.
In the campaign that followed, Hitler criss-crossed Germany in an airplane, descending from the clouds into the arms of growing numbers of fanatics, at ever larger rallies. He gave them a positive message, promising something for everyone, then ascended back into the clouds. "In the Third Reich every German girl will find a husband!" - Hitler once promised.
But like any politician, Hitler was subject to scandal. A newspaper run by one of the opposition parties, the Social Democrats, somehow got hold of letters between SA Chief Ernst Röhm and a male doctor, concerning their mutual interest in men. Hitler knew Röhm was not heterosexual and had ignored it for years because of Röhm's usefulness to him.
The issue as far as Hitler was concerned was whether Röhm had abused any underage males. Nazi lawyer Hans Frank investigated this and assured Hitler he had found no evidence. Hitler was a little more at ease. Thus, Ernst Röhm, the battle scarred, aggressive storm trooper leader would stay, at least for now, as leader of the SA, now numbering over 400,000.
The campaign for president continued with the Nazis mounting another furious campaign effort with Hitler making several campaign stops a day. President Hindenburg did less than before and didn't make a single speech, causing rumors about ill health.
On a dark, rainy Sunday, April 10, 1932, the people voted. They gave Hitler 13,418,547 or 36%, an increase of two million, and Hindenburg 19,359,983 or 53%, an increase of under a million.
The 85-year-old gentleman was elected by an absolute majority to another seven year term. But no one was at ease. Hitler and the Nazis had shown massive popularity.
Berlin was now a swirling mess of fear, intrigue, rumors, and disorder. Out of that mess arose a man named Kurt von Schleicher, a highly ambitious Army officer, driven by the idea that he, not Hitler, might possibly rule Germany.
The German republic was now as unsteady as the teetering old gentleman leading it and up against Schleicher and Hitler, was soon to be buried.
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I'll continue more on this topic if any or all would like to read more..Thank You