"Equality"

[Shaunography]

Sexual equality is obviously fair. But a lot of females think it's fair to be equal in different situations. Like, Ellen McCarthur got loads of praise for that boat thing because she's a woman. How sexist. Meh.

[Arkacia]

I've just had a quick look at her website, and think its not just because she's a woman, but because she's the first woman, and only the second person in history, to sail around the world non-stop. Only five sailors had tried that journey before her, and only one had finished. Its quite a feat, no matter what sex you are. I honestly feel a male sailor would have be praised just as much, but in a different way, as the media and public would have found something else positive about him to focus on.

Record info (http://www.teamellen.com/ellen.asp?artid=1225)

[Shaunography]

I've just had a quick look at her website, and think its not just because she's a woman, but because she's the first woman, and only the second person in history, to sail around the world non-stop. Only five sailors had tried that journey before her, and only one had finished. Its quite a feat, no matter what sex you are. I honestly feel a male sailor would have be praised just as much, but in a different way, as the media and public would have found something else positive about him to focus on.

Record info (http://www.teamellen.com/ellen.asp?artid=1225)

That was just an example. Regardless, I'm standing by my opinion (I'm not a Nazi, or a sexist by the way).

Another good example is school. Girls are allowed to play in boys football teams, but boys aren't allowed in girls football teams!!

[Arkacia]

Now that you do have a good point with, but the sports exclusions work both ways. In Queensland at the moment, there is a court case happening because there is a rule with the junior soccer here, that girls are allowed to play in boys teams but only until they are 13, then they have to leave, and find an all girl team (which I guess boys are'nt allowed in at any age, hence my agreement with your statement). One brilliant at the game 13 year old girl is fighting to be allowed to stay with her team, and the coach and other players are 100% behind her.

I guess perhaps one of the reasons why this may be so is the litigation factor. Boys are percieved to be rougher, and if a girl is injured because of that, the school, sports group etc can be sued. Also there could be the fear that if boys are allowed into girls teams, they'll dominate, and the girls will be pushed to the sidelines.

[Shaunography]

Now that you do have a good point with, but the sports exclusions work both ways. In Queensland at the moment, there is a court case happening because there is a rule with the junior soccer here, that girls are allowed to play in boys teams but only until they are 13, then they have to leave, and find an all girl team (which I guess boys are'nt allowed in at any age, hence my agreement with your statement). One brilliant at the game 13 year old girl is fighting to be allowed to stay with her team, and the coach and other players are 100% behind her.

I guess perhaps one of the reasons why this may be so is the litigation factor. Boys are percieved to be rougher, and if a girl is injured because of that, the school, sports group etc can be sued. Also there could be the fear that if boys are allowed into girls teams, they'll dominate, and the girls will be pushed to the sidelines.

Yeah that's true. But also Scouts - girls are allowed in that. Not that I'd want to be in Brownies, but boys aren't allowed in Brownies!

BY THE WAY did you get my PM???

[Freakums]

girls, get hurt by boys? i don;t know about you guys, but where I live, its kinda the oppisite way around. I fail to believe that anyone could ever have considered them the weaker sex when there are aboiut 6 or 7 times more injuries (and more severe) in the girls leagues. Also, when boys are actually afraid to play with them in any possibly violent sport.
besides that issue, I fully believe in equality, and I agree thyat women are being given more publicity then men when they accomplish certain things. mostl;y because women are still mysteriously regarded as the weaker sex, or not many women hgave accomplished that feat (for example, Canada so far has only had one female prime minister . .. ). .. . the Partiocualr case mentiuoned isn't really sexist . . . in my opinion.
bout all i have to say on the subject.

[pollovivo]

Sadly, no matter how hard we try, it always has been burned into our minds that girls are weaker than boys, and I dougbt that that will ever change. That is the unfortunate way that the human mind works. I blame it all on media!

[HinesDaMan]

Well Pollovivo...from a strictly Biological standpoint...girls ARE weaker than boys. In no way do I believe this intellectually, but I just felt I had to clarify that.

[phantomullet]

Everyone keeps on saying that womenare as strong (and some propose that are stronger) than men. I do not consider myself a sexist, and I think that like HinesDaMan said, biologically, men are physically stronger (on the average) then women. It is not even worth arguing about. That is why girls have separate sports leagues once they get to a certain age. They have more injuries because they are more prone to injury. It is just a known fact. Women do have higher thresholds of pain then men and other advantages. This is why I think that men and women are equal, but different.

[Arkacia]

Everyone keeps on saying that womenare as strong (and some propose that are stronger) than men. I do not consider myself a sexist, and I think that like HinesDaMan said, biologically, men are physically stronger (on the average) then women. It is not even worth arguing about. That is why girls have separate sports leagues once they get to a certain age. They have more injuries because they are more prone to injury. It is just a known fact. Women do have higher thresholds of pain then men and other advantages. This is why I think that men and women are equal, but different.
You're right, females are, on average, not as strong as males, nor do they have, on average, the same stamina, but they are, on average, a lot more agile than males, and in some cases (sports) faster. It evens out. Men play football better than females mostly, just as females play netball and (in my opinion, so don't flame me) basketball better than males. They can move a lot faster and spin, twist etc better.

Yes, women do have a higher pain threashold, so they can cope with childbirth. The pain of that would prob kill a male :p:D.

I don't know where you got the idea that women are more prone to injury than males. I'd like to see a link to some info on that. Maybe in certain sports they are, just as in certain other sports males would be more prone.

[phantomullet]

I don't know where you got the idea that women are more prone to injury than males. I'd like to see a link to some info on that. Maybe in certain sports they are, just as in certain other sports males would be more prone.
I guess I have always just heard that. You are probably right, though. It depends on the sport and such. here is a link to a website about knee injuries. http://www.fims.uwo.ca/olr/apr903/SportsInjuries.htm

[ender1626]

Well as far as i can tell the whole women stronger than men thing is a thing of the past. However i an observation. I believe that how stong a female is also comes from there genes. For examlpe my wife has a kinda of large build that helped her play football for a good many years. She only quit due to the fact that she started to develop her female parts.... commonly refered o as breasts. So as far as i am concerened women are equally as strong as men. But thats just my opinion. :)

[Arkacia]

Women on average don't have the same strength as males. Of course individuals of both sexes can go below or above average, but the majority don't.

I think the whole womens equality movement has gone overboard in some respects. Recently in this country, women won the right to be full members of one of our exclusive mens clubs (Tattersalls) despite strong opposition. On the other hand though, a group of men lost a discrimination court case against a womens only gym.

Perhaps the womens lib groups should concentrate on something important for all women, like equal pay. No matter how many other barriers have been broken down, women are still paid less than men for the same job/work in most western nations.

[JsWoman]

Depending on the job.. For mine, the men and women get paid equally, more if they have been there longer and have more responsibility, but it all averages out. I know in the US military it's paid by rank and not by sex. Don't know about all the rest of the corporate jobs, though.

[yarnellcg17]

I don't know if the situation has changed any..but I have always heard that women who have an equal position as a man in the corporate world..always got paid less..especially if the 2 have been in the same length of time..
It's all well in good if it is based upon this factor..Who is the senior person.. only time that it should ever be that way..

It is also that way in factories..Jane Doe and Johnny Dee arrive at the interview for the job..both do get that same job..but she gets less on the hr then he does..

Another thing that I see isn't right at all..is how a woman would have to make her self equal to a man in a mans so called work world ..is how they would have to prepositioned to attain equal status..such as sexual favors..
To me that is dead wrong..and I have reported such issues as I have seen them when I was told about those type of behaviors..

[JsWoman]

That's just wrong if the only way a woman can get anywhere is to trade sexual favors with the heirarchy. I know it used to be that way, but is it still?? If so, that's just arcane thinking on all parts.

[yarnellcg17]

Yes ..although laws are on the books that prohibit such behavior..it is still that way today in the 21st Century..sad way to have to work to get what you want in life..especially went it comes to equal rights under the law as the EEOC has it structured..but it does still occur..

[JsWoman]

Hmm.. That's just sad and pathetic. Glad I'm not in the corporate world, and when I go to school, to train for massage, glad that pays depending on what the person doing the job chooses. ;) :D:D

[JoeN]

I think the whole womens equality movement has gone overboard in some respects. Recently in this country, women won the right to be full members of one of our exclusive mens clubs (Tattersalls) despite strong opposition. On the other hand though, a group of men lost a discrimination court case against a womens only gym.

Perhaps the womens lib groups should concentrate on something important for all women, like equal pay. No matter how many other barriers have been broken down, women are still paid less than men for the same job/work in most western nations.

This is something I agree with. I don't see anything wrong with having a men only gym. What do they think happens in this places? Do they think men plans way to degrade women? Basicly men just talk about sports, business, hot women and other stuff. I think it is contradicting when the courts rule one way but not the other, there is no bending the law for one group.

[devil.child]

I can understand why women don't want to be oppressed. No one does! But I believe that there are certain places where men and women should be divided. You wouldn't want a woman going into a guy's restroom now, would you?

[richyaustin]

yeah, like it's ok to fight my mates but not ok to break my girlfriend's face? give me a break

[Arkacia]

I don't know where you live richyaustin, but in my country, it's not ok to fight your mates either. Hitting anyone, male or female, could well land you in court here.

As for the restroom comment, I am seeing more and more unisex public loos around these days. Saves companies money I guess, and as long as the door and walls seal the room from view, and the door is lockable, I have no problems with them.

[coogiez]

if i take my (physical) brain out of my body, like scalping, stuck it in a jar, then "erased" all my gender-based knowledge/emotions, would i still have a gender?

it's only the social perspective that controls the ethical bountries we all live by, if you changed your perspective towards a more equal working society, most general products (like makeup, pokers, and... well, most gender defined products) all those companies make, would just fall, the infrastructure of pulling all the money our of (psychologicaly) poor, unknowing, and somewhat arrogant and naive "general" public would loose track, and a downward spiral of less and less knowledge by "untrue" ethics would take place, like how religion demands complete belief, which holds back the general inquisitivness of the new followers, making knowledge less and less definable.

while the select few, that made their own way, will probably just live on, in a socially equal system,

ta da!

now, who feels like wreaking all hell on those stingy ethics eh?!?!?

[Chameleon]

Women on average don't have the same strength as males. Of course individuals of both sexes can go below or above average, but the majority don't.

I think the whole womens equality movement has gone overboard in some respects. Recently in this country, women won the right to be full members of one of our exclusive mens clubs (Tattersalls) despite strong opposition. On the other hand though, a group of men lost a discrimination court case against a womens only gym.

Perhaps the womens lib groups should concentrate on something important for all women, like equal pay. No matter how many other barriers have been broken down, women are still paid less than men for the same job/work in most western nations.

The trouble is, different people find different issues important. There is still some real sexual inequality out there, but half of us think we sorted it out in the seventies and the other half don't realise it's still there, or don't agree on what to do about it.

I play a MMO and one of the things that flabbergasts me is the way people can casually drop a word like "rape" into trivial conversation. It's like it's no big deal, or something to joke about. Which it's really not. Half of our population is afraid to walk alone at night, because of something the other half of the population might do.

One of the things I always think is, if we've got equality so sussed out - most of us agree we should all be treated equally - then why does it matter so much to us whether a baby is a boy or a girl when it's born? It's the first thing we want to know, he or she, even before is it ok, is the mother ok.

Then we go and make that baby fit its gender, we dress it in different clothing, give it different toys, praise it for different behaviour all depending on whether it's a boy or girl.

We don't have equal expectations of boys and girls, men and women. We're not consistent with our equal opportunities. We LIKE being different too, most of us.

Me, I'm a woman and a feminist (and yes a rape survivor), I've been a tomboy and I've been a girly girl. I like being different from men. I hate being told I may not do something just because I'm a woman. But I don't hate men.

Sometimes you don't realise what the big deal is unless it comes up and hits you in the face. Then you know but you can't get others to understand.

[ClaRatta]

Ahh women... what strange and bloody confusing creatures we are.

On one hand women hate to be opressed and want to be equals... on the other hand we're so used to being supressed that we dont care about certain things. But yeah it's true. There are more men in certain workplaces than women and women get paid less.

And as for physical strength... My friends (guys) get laughed at cause I've tackled them to the ground. Full on full body tackle. And no, I'm not a bully -we just play tackle tag.
Sure there may be a bit of difference, but in that way it's also sort of evolution in the way that women were designed to bear children and males to hunt in our species.
Then again, a lot of guys do weights these days... =/

[Capncflowers]

In truth, this is coming from my perspective here, I believe there will always be some sort of inequality in the world. Though I'd like to say that women rule the world too, because they do. All of my teachers say they get payed the same though, but at the same time many women expect things from the inequality you mentioned like guys buying everything for them. Is it wrong for women to help pay for that expensive restaurant too?