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Arkacia

12-01-2004, 05:24 PM

I'd probably try my hardest to convince her to tell him, because if she's cheating on him, she obviously does'nt love him, and its cruel of her to keep leading him on. If they manage to work it out themselves, and try again, thats great, but if not, then its better for both of them if the relationship ends.

I certainly would'nt tell him myself, because that has a bad habit of backfiring on the person telling, and a lot of the time leads to the end of friendships, because the poor fool being cheated on is more likely to believe the person they love, than a friend. Sad but true. If someone really has to tell a friend about a cheating partner, then they had better make sure they have some really strong evidence to back it up.

Mick

12-02-2004, 11:40 PM

Thats pretty funny Arkacia, I thought exactly the same thing. It actually happened a while ago but I talked to someone else about it recently and so I was thinking about it again. I hassled this girl for a couple of weeks to get her to confess to him(they broke up) but I wasnt going to tell him, I think it is very important to keep it secret if someone tells you something.
Im always curious what other people think about these situations because sometimes its good to get another perspective.

Got another one for you...

I was talking to a friend about a TV series thats on once a week. She wanted to know what was going to happen in the future on the show and had already looked on the internet to find out(Unsuccessfully).
When I looked on the net I found a site but didnt read anything because I didnt want to spoil it for myself.
Question is...... do I tell her I found a site and maybe spoil it for her...... or maybe make her happy..... who knows?

Arkacia

12-03-2004, 09:15 PM

This one is simple, and easy to answer:).
I'd give her the web address and then leave it up to her to decide if she wants to look it up. If she come back complaining about the show being spoilt, and tries to blame you, then you just calmly explain that you only gave her the addy, the choice of whether to look or not was hers and hers alone.
I can relate to this, because I am impatient too, and often look up TV shows, or read the last page of a mystery novel, after only reading a few chapters, because I have to know who did it, and can't wait :D.

I have one for you now :)

You are in a shop, and find $20 on the floor, do you hand it in to the shopkeeper, or, as $20 is'nt really a lot of money, just take it?
This happened to me a few years ago.

Mick

12-03-2004, 10:01 PM

I would give it to the shopkeeper, if it was out in the street I would keep it.
It may have been dropped by a millionare or a young kid..... you just dont know

I did find a wallet on a station seat once and when I handed it in the station master opened the wallet and gave me a surprised look when he saw the $200 in it. I guess theres not as many honest people around these days......

Arkacia

12-03-2004, 10:51 PM

I gave it to the shopkeeper, and he treated me like a fool for doing it. He even tried to talk me into keeping it, because the shop he worked for had a policy where anything handed in had to be written up, and he could'nt be bothered to do that. I said no, because it was possible that $20 was a pensioners eating money for the week.
He did take my name, and told me that if it was'nt claimed within 3 months, they would call me, and I could claim the money. Needless to say, I never heard from them.

TimidAngel

12-08-2004, 07:37 PM

personally ive had to help someone with this and i tried my hardest to warm them up to the idea of telling and they did so in that way it works. but usually if you tell the person themselves you get bit in the butt

Mick

12-16-2004, 03:38 AM

Another question for the brains out there :)

What would you do if someone offered you a really cheap TV that is obviously stolen? Would you buy it? Would it make a difference to you if it were either stolen from someones house or stolen from a company worth billions?

Arkacia

12-20-2004, 09:46 PM

I would'nt buy it for one reason. If the police trace it to your address, you can be charged with recieving stolen goods. At the very least, you would lose it, and not get any compensation. Look at these people on A current affair and Today tonight, who lose their originally stolen, then resold cars that way. Who it is stolen from probably would'nt make much difference to me.

haydestar

12-20-2004, 10:51 PM

me personally i would disregard her for the rest of my life for lying and cheating to my friends, and i would tell him straight away before it got to serious or he found out and knew that i knew, that would distroy our friendship and i couldnt let that happen.

If i didnt know that it was stolen i would probably take it but, it also depends on how cheap, if it is obviously stolen no way but if it is only like 20 bucks under youd just think it was a sale, Would you not

Haydes

Edit I have merged these two posts, please do not multi post!

grazsrootz

12-22-2004, 06:15 AM

tell him, its better than him being hurt

Eric

03-16-2005, 02:54 AM

Re: The cheating girlfriend: I think I'd probably try to understand why she had cheated in the first place. If, according to my own sense of morals, her reason seemed valid enough, I'd turn a blind eye.

As for finding money, well, 'finders keepers, loser weepers', as the saying goes. ;) If I see someone drop money or their wallet, that's a different story.

Cheers,

Eric

zaqhyb

03-16-2005, 11:30 AM

i think that it is more of a question of how good of friends r you with her boyfriend. I'm a guy but if one of my friends told me that he was cheating on his girlfriend with someone else i probably would tell the girl because all my friends girlfriends r also my friends i would just tell them to not say that i told them.

HinesDaMan

04-07-2005, 12:00 AM

As far as the cheating girlfriend thing goes...Screw her, I would DEFINITELY tell my buddy about it. I don't know if any of you have ever been cheated on (I sincerely hope not) but take my word for it...it sucks...and hurts...a lot. I'd tell him because that way he'd have someone to talk with about it. Me...I had to deal with it alone.

As far as the dropped money...I once dropped my wallet...It had only like $50 bucks or something in it, but a day later someone found my wallet and returned it with all the money. I offered the person 20 bucks but they didn't take it. I would always turn in the money, no matter how bad I needed it, because someone did that for me.

Every1sHero

04-09-2005, 04:42 PM

OK Hines, even if you HAVE been cheated on, that's no reason to make someone else feel the same pain. For all you know, if you hadn't meddled in their business, the girl's little fling may have ended and they could still be happy.

I agree with you on the money thing.

HinesDaMan

04-10-2005, 11:39 AM

Oh, I see, so ignorance is bliss, huh? You've gotta be kidding me. That is the absolute worst reason for not telling the guy...what if it happens again? What if he finds out you knew? Ridiculous.

Every1sHero

04-10-2005, 12:27 PM

If he finds out you knew then you simply explain that you didn't tell him so he wouldn't be hurt. If it happens again, then you try as hard as you can to get him to dump her.

HinesDaMan

04-12-2005, 08:34 PM

I know I would be pretty angry if one of my friends knew my girlfriend was cheating on me and didn't tell me. Believe me, I've got experience. You'd want to know.

Mick

04-12-2005, 11:08 PM

I understand what you mean Hines and in some ways I agree with you but I have seen situations where someone has told a friend about his girlfriend cheating and so he got mixed up in it. The couple both blamed him for causing trouble, they did still split up but my point is the guy that thought he was doing the right thing by telling his mate got involved even though it had nothing to do with him.

I have heard of other similar stories and though it sounds strange, it is a normal reaction for some people to take out their anger on the person who brings bad news.
If you read the first page(I think) of this thread you'll see it was a while ago, I didn't tell my friend what was going on, I just nagged his GF to get her to tell him and I didn't stop until she did.

pollovivo

04-14-2005, 07:21 AM

I'm the sort of person who lately has been perfectly fine being used as a venting tool, mainly because I realize that it is just that much healthier to relieve yourself of all of that stress... I just hate seeing others being manipulated or messed with... Hinez, I'm really sorry that something like that happened to you, because (though I haven't experienced the feeling) I realize through other events I have been through, how much it hurts to find out something so painful on your own...

dunkinmb310

04-27-2005, 12:48 AM

Dude i have seen my best friends girlfriend cheating on him. dont tell him he will just get pissed at u. dont cause crap between u cuz of some dumb *deleted by moderator*

JoeN

04-28-2005, 08:43 PM

Mick

04-28-2005, 11:47 PM

Ok i saw this and thought hey this will be interesting. So here i go

The GF thing: I would tell me friend. Why you ask? Cause he's me friend and i would expect the same from him. I also believe in telling people the truth. There's no reason to hide behind lies and deceit. I've seen the worst that has happened when lying and personally I'd rather just live up to the truth. So once again i would tell my friend.
I agree with you on telling the truth JoeN....but I wouldn't consider withholding information as lying. I know it seems like the right thing to do, tell them about it but there are consequences which I tried to explain in earlier posts. I didn't understand until I saw it happen to someone else, so when I was in that situation I pressured the girl into telling him herself, which she did.

The TV thing i don't think i would purchase stolen goods

So heres another question its form the moive Swordfish with John Travolta Huge Jackman and Halle Berry. What if there was a cure for aids but in order for that to happen you had to kill one innocent child. Would you be able to kill that child?

Or if you like ill make in very general

What if you could solve any world or national problem but in doing so you had to kill one innocent child. Could you kill that child?

That is a difficult one to answer.... in terms of numbers it would be much preferred to lose only one child instead of thousands or millions. If it's not personal then it's not such a hard choice if you are just looking at statistics. Maybe the question should be ........Would you be able to kill YOUR child?
That makes the choice very hard and really I couldn't answer that...I just don't know
If this question is too much the mods may delete it.
Well thankyou for your permission :rolleyes: :D .....just so you know, the all-powerful Super Mods can delete any post at will...with or without permission:p:D

JsWoman

06-18-2005, 08:17 PM

Kill my child? Or kill any child? I know, for some that would be a difficult one to answer, but not for me. I don't care how many diseases could have a cure found for them... If it means I, or someone else, has to kill an innocent child, who is just beginning their journey, I couldn't/wouldn't do it. I would rather my daughter have the chance to flourish and I die, than the other way around.

yarnellcg17

06-18-2005, 08:41 PM

No one could force me to kill my children..they's be the 1st to go.. .not my kids..

JsWoman

06-18-2005, 08:44 PM

I don't know if I could kill anyone, but if my child's life was being threatened, I'm sure I could pull up the right mindset to kill who/what was threatening her. But, if it was a choice between her or me, I would be more than willing to sacrifice myself for it.

yarnellcg17

06-27-2005, 07:22 PM

Violence isn't in my nature at all..and I couldn't kill just for the spite of doing so..but in the defense of myself and a child.. I could commit such act if I really had to be compelled to..

JsWoman

06-27-2005, 07:50 PM

I'm sure that just about anyone, in protection of theirselves or a loved one, would be willing to kill. That's how I see it.

doorkeeperz

06-28-2005, 05:49 AM

on the first question, I would certainly tell my best friend right away. number one, if you don't say anything, you obviously don't care much for your friends. number two,
maybe this would teach this girl, (or boy), a lesson about relationships. number three,
if I thought you were my best friend, and found out you knew, and didn't say anything,
we probably wouldn't be friends anymore. finally, if you told them, and they got mad at you, then they weren't much of a friend were they.

on the question of the TV, if the price is low enough to make you think it is stolen,
then simply ask the person you are buying it from if it is stolen, if they say no, then
ask them for a signed reciept, as long as you obtain one, (with a valid signature),
then you are covered. I had this happen to me once.

as far as the money on the floor, simply ask everyone around the shop area if they have lost any money, if noone claims it, then just keep it, if it is discovered later that someone had lost it and didn't realize it, then you can simply pay it back to them,
remember, all your co-workers in the shop know that you tried to find out who it belonged to.

excellent comments hines

ender1626

09-29-2005, 02:37 PM

I think that i would tell the girlfriend that she needs to sit down with him and explaine the situation. I think thats the best thing you could do.

As far as the tv situation. Being a cop i couldnt force myself to buy it. I know what the concequences could be.

JoeN

10-01-2005, 10:30 AM

Ok i saw this thread again and deceided to add another question/comment. I had made this comment on another forum and I had some people there that were incapable of being mature about responseding to what i said. So if you're not going to be mature please don't post anything.

"Why do I feel like I'm the only person that doesn't understand people who are in need of periodical hospital/medical visits. Example: Tonight i was watching the news (which i don't normally do) and there was this story about who need to go to dialysis centers due to the fact that their kidneys have some sort of cancer and/or can't get a another kidney cause their body won't accept the kidney. Because of this they have to go to these dialysis centers to use the, yeah you guessed it, dialysis machine. The news went on to explain that these people sometimes go to these centers 3 to 4 times a week! Now this is what i don't understand if there is some of these people who can never get a kidney transplant for whatever reason and that the only why for them to live is this dialysis machine. Now heres where i feel something is wrong with me...Shouldn't these people die?? Don't get me wrong i do feel sorry for them and wish they could live a healthy life? What are these people doing? Why are they delaying the inevitable? Doesn't this sorta thing drive up the cost of healthcare for everyone else?"

I'm guessing the healthcare question is more for people who live in the US I'm not too sure how healthcare is handled in other countries.
I'm not a sick person. I don't have it in for those people. I do believe that every person has the right to live. So please just focus on the post not me.

Arkacia

10-01-2005, 03:19 PM

I guess it comes down to the fact that they don't want to die. Some kidney patients are on dialysis for years and years. Cancers can and do go into remissions for years at a time. Outside the treatments patients lead perfectly normal lives. Have families, hold jobs ect. Also you need to remember that medicine exists to maintain life, not promote death. Thats why voluntary euthenasia is fought against tooth and nail by the medical fraternity.

I guess if kidney patients should die rather than use treatment to stay alive then that can be applied to other illnesses too. Athsma sufferers who depend on medication, cancer sufferers who depend on chemotherapy (which doesn't always work), diabetics, heart disease sufferers, the list can go on and on. All these diseases are life time/long term problems and cost a fortune to treat.

The question we need to ask ourselves is not whether these people should die to save the state a few dollars, but what is more important. Dollar signs or a persons life?

Personally, I go with a persons right to live as long and as well as they can, and want to :).

yarnellcg17

10-01-2005, 04:34 PM

I had a childhood friend of mine passed away in Aug 2001..
He developed kidney problems at age 4, for which I remember as I was 5 at the time those problems developed..By the time he was 5, it was a full blown kidney disease... Only managing to stay alive by treatments via pills..with no transplant in site as they are hard to come by then as they still are today..
By 1983 at age 17 he had to go on dialysis.. but time was running out for him. By 1986 a transplant was finally available after 15 yrs..but he had already sustained some other damage to other organs over those yrs..
By 1999 it was back to dialysis again..but his 2nd transplant would follow in the spring of 2000..he sustained more damage to other organs in a yr then in the 12yrs before his 1st waiting period and even after the second transplant he still needed dialysis and was thrown in and out of the hospital numerous times..
The last time I seen him alive was on August 19th 2001 at our county fair..
On August 22nd he returned home from worked..2 hrs into being home he is clutching his chest ( Aortic Anuerism ) doctors repaired that.. but he never came out of it..as another anuerism took place in the abdomen and that is what killed him then..
Modern medicine gave him things.. it gave him hope..it prolonged his life and he was able to try and work.. he was able to get married and be married 10 yrs til his death and have 2 wonderful children..
What Modern medicine gave me was one of the best friends I could have for over 30 yrs..
To not have Modern Medicine today to try and help prolong life..I'm sure we all involved may end up missing out on the good things that it does benefit..

ender1626

10-18-2005, 09:28 AM

Well i believe the reason these people do all that they can to saty alive is the human races drive to live. Our race has always wanted to live as long as possible. The fact that they are suffering doesnt matter to they as long as they are still alive. People with famalies are even more prone to taking the pain because they dont want to cause there famalies more pain by dieing. As the famous quote goes, "Where there's a will there's a way." I know that if i was in that situation i would want to live as long as possible. You have to remember that modern medicine is advancing everyday and theres always a chance that they will find a cure while youre still alive.

amphethead

01-14-2006, 05:43 PM

:confused: First of all i'd ask myself why she had confided in me, who to her must be the worst person to tell if she didnt want it getting back to my friend,so she must either want me to tell him so she doesnt have to go through the messy stuff that comes hand in hand with such a situation after she says its over. Or i should just stop seeing her behind his back! Whichever!

rubie

06-07-2006, 11:58 AM

I would try to convince his girlfriend to tell him, otherwise I would stay silent, their affair is none of my business.

mobikenobi

05-28-2007, 07:17 PM

id say to tell him if she didnt i would wonder why shes cheating on him and tell my friend and say dont be a jerk and win her back

Ninva

05-29-2007, 03:36 PM

I would keep it a secret, but I wouldn't say I would keep it a secret. She would use the secret against me when the guy finds out. Thus, if I just nodded my head and didn't comment she would get the hint I don't care much for her relationships. :P

Epona

09-19-2008, 12:43 PM

Well personally I would give my friend a choice either You tell him/her or I will and then set a time limit say a week or so. I would have to say if soeone is cheating on their partner then they have no business being with that partner in the first place.

tinmanwcf

01-31-2009, 05:40 PM

I think i would ask her if she wanted to fool around,,,lol but hey thats me,,no really im just kidding,, i would try an talk her into telling him

ClaRatta

11-29-2009, 03:20 AM

Answering the medicine question:
Well personally I believe it varies from person to person. We're all genetically programmed to survive. We want to survive, we need to survive and that's how through evolution we've come out on top. Humans innately fear death as it goes against the survival code.
But with modern medicine people are better off. Perhaps not in some cases where they must go to the centre 2-3 times a week just to survive (personally I'd get what I needed to do out of the way and then stop going), but in other cases... we have cancer patients surviving, a simple cold used to be life threatening. Plus we're digging ourselves a hole these days with the lifestyle change from being active and eating what grew around us to sitting in front of a computer all day (guilty!) and eating processed goods. These are sure to cause health problems that our moderm medicine will either cure or soon be able fix.

Also just chucking another one out there: Cloning
Is is all right to?
What about organ harvesting and blood harvesting?
And stem cell research -Is it okay?